Top 25 Players of the 2000's
We dive into our picks for the Top 25 NHL Players of the 2000s, assessing based on stats, hardware, and overall contributions from the 1999-2000 season to the present. We discuss players like Jaromir Jagr, Nicholas Lindstrom, Joe Pavelski, the Sedin twins, and Zdeno Chara who made or just missed our list. We also cover goalies like Roberto Luongo and Marc Andre Fleury, elite forwards like Steven Stamkos, Anze Kopitar, and our top trio of Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin, and Nick Lidstrom. Join us as we debate, discuss, and rank the players who've defined NHL hockey over the past quarter-century.
00:00 Welcome to Overtime Hockey Talk
00:28 Top 25 NHL Players of the 2000s
00:34 Criteria for Ranking Players
02:32 Just Missed the List
05:15 Evaluating Goaltenders
06:17 Impact of Stanley Cups
07:17 Comparing Eras in Hockey
09:12 Starting the Top 25 Countdown
10:05 Debating Player Rankings
19:37 The Luongo vs. Lundqvist Debate
20:44 What If Scenarios in NHL History
23:56 Injuries and Hall of Fame Credentials
25:23 The Sedin Twins' Impact on the NHL
28:35 Henrik Lundqvist vs. Roberto Luongo
31:08 Top 15 NHL Players: Kopitar to Kucherov
37:58 Top 10 NHL Players: Malkin to Kane
41:45 Chris Pronger: An Underrated Defenseman
45:04 Top 3 NHL Players: Ovechkin, Lidstrom, Crosby
47:16 Closing Remarks and Social Media Plugs
Transcript
Hello and welcome to Overtime Hockey Talk.
Speaker:My name is Mark Paul and Justin Baker joining us via his vehicle.
Speaker:It's a car cast.
Speaker:That's a car cast is our own version of the car cast.
Speaker:and on today's show, we decided, first show back of 2025.
Speaker:I'm finally back from my long road trip to the grand Canyon with my family.
Speaker:And, we're ready to roll here for 2025.
Speaker:And we were like, all the things happening in the NHL be damned.
Speaker:We're going to do the top 25 players.
Speaker:Of the last 25 years to usher in 2025.
Speaker:So we are doing the top 25 players of the two thousands, essentially.
Speaker:what criteria did you use to come up with your list?
Speaker:Ooh.
Speaker:That's a good one.
Speaker:honestly, I should say obviously looked at the stats, looked at the hardware, right?
Speaker:But it was pretty much the body of work from the 99 2000 season to present, right?
Speaker:one guy you and I talked about that's probably our list, Yami or Yager, right?
Speaker:I, Pretty much just forgot about everything he did prior to that.
Speaker:same with another guy on my list, Nicholas Lindstrom, Just pretty
Speaker:much erased everything pre 2000.
Speaker:so yeah, just pretty much took that into consideration.
Speaker:And then I guess then there were, some of those, softer skills HR world, the stuff
Speaker:they do behind the scenes, the leadership, the, what they meant to the team.
Speaker:And, of course the wins, the championships, all that other great stuff.
Speaker:All Right, yeah, I did a little bit of, I'll say just because they didn't play
Speaker:their entire career in the two thousands.
Speaker:I still it was still I'm like with Yager.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yager is obviously on both our lists.
Speaker:if he retired in like 2002, then no way, because he still played, he played
Speaker:more of his career in the 2000s than anything else, even though he left
Speaker:the KHL for a little while and he did.
Speaker:He had his best seasons, not in the two thousands.
Speaker:He's still a player on that list that I can't not have him on there.
Speaker:Even though his best years were in the nineties.
Speaker:which did factor it.
Speaker:if we were going all time best and these players were on here, he.
Speaker:I'll all time, but Yeah.
Speaker:If we included the nineties or something like that, he'd be
Speaker:way, he'd be higher up my list.
Speaker:right,
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:same.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:then let's, let's get it rolling.
Speaker:Why don't you go through your, what do we say?
Speaker:Like maybe your bottom five, any, anybody just missed, actually
Speaker:anybody missed your list?
Speaker:Yeah, I did put, I put three guys, I should say four guys on my Just
Speaker:Missed, just because I was curious.
Speaker:I'm like, a couple of these players, I'm like, yeah, they probably could have
Speaker:made, somebody else's list, but, so I was just curious to see if anybody else
Speaker:would have maybe thrown these on, but I've got Joe Pavelski, the Sadeen twins,
Speaker:and Big Zdeno Char on my Just Missed.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, I considered something like Corey Perry because he did win a heart
Speaker:trophy and, he was a different type of player, almost like, Sean could
Speaker:also be considered on that same plane of you're a different kind of guy.
Speaker:The difference is Corey Perry did win a heart trophy.
Speaker:He won, like he won actual hardware, whereas Brad Marsh on really never has
Speaker:come close to winning any of those.
Speaker:but Marshawn in the two thousands, I think he's 26 overall for
Speaker:points, which is like almost hard to believe, how, how well he did.
Speaker:I really, yeah, I considered doing something like that.
Speaker:like a Corey Perry, he won a heart trophy.
Speaker:that was my first thing that I looked up.
Speaker:I went, all Right.
Speaker:let me look at all the heart trophy winners over the last 25 years.
Speaker:And some of it was like, all Yes.
Speaker:Jose Teodoro did win the heart trophy.
Speaker:But is he in the top 25 players of the last 25 years?
Speaker:No, I don't think he is like he had a, now if we're talking top 25 seasons
Speaker:over the last 25 years, then I think that one would probably be on the list,
Speaker:And that'd be an interesting list to put together.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:but with it being, an entire career or like playing time,
Speaker:I didn't have them in there.
Speaker:Is there anybody that was, Patrick Marlowe just missed my list.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Marlowe is the ninth highest scoring player.
Speaker:Of the two thousands, he has 1, 120 points in 1, 624 games, over 500 goals.
Speaker:And yet he misses my list in favor of other people because I don't think I
Speaker:would ever say he was even close to the best player in the NHL at any point.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:Even though he was very consistent, I didn't put him in there because I just
Speaker:don't think he was ever good enough, but he just lasted a long time and he
Speaker:was really good, but he was never great.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, same.
Speaker:I think, I thought about him too, but when you look at all the guys on my
Speaker:list at their position, at any given point in their careers, you've looked
Speaker:at them and say, they're a top 10 player in the league at their role.
Speaker:Patrick Marlowe, I hate to say it.
Speaker:I just never thought of him.
Speaker:in a top 10, at least, winger or center, whatever he was playing.
Speaker:I never thought he was a top 10 guy, but he was on the cusp of
Speaker:that, but he was very good at his position, but never one of the better
Speaker:players in the league at his role.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And then, what lent you towards a goalie making it in?
Speaker:So goaltender, obviously, I think a lot of times with goaltenders,
Speaker:they get overlooked because it's hard to compare stats.
Speaker:And I think we could probably do a list just on goaltenders alone versus skaters.
Speaker:But for me, it's longevity, right?
Speaker:They.
Speaker:They.
Speaker:went and, they've been a starter for a very long time, right?
Speaker:They've compiled the wins.
Speaker:They've got the hardware or at one point, I think, they were
Speaker:looked at, maybe top three, four, best goaltender in the league.
Speaker:And not only that, they had success carrying a team, right?
Speaker:You looked at a guy like, I'll just tell you right now, one of the
Speaker:guys on my list is Roberto Luongo.
Speaker:And, at.
Speaker:At multiple points in his, career, you looked at him as a
Speaker:guy who carried the team, right?
Speaker:Whether it was Vancouver or Florida, he was, essentially when he was with the
Speaker:Panthers, at least at the first part of his career, he was the Florida Panthers.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:it's very true.
Speaker:He was the Florida Panthers and really, a lot of, he was a big
Speaker:part of those Canucks teams.
Speaker:he's the only goalie to be a captain
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:so yes.
Speaker:Yeah, phenomenal goalie.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:did Stanley Cups play a factor for you?
Speaker:a little bit.
Speaker:weigh those in there?
Speaker:Yeah, they played a little bit, and I think when you look at guys who
Speaker:won Stanley Cups, I looked at it more specifically on, like, how you factored
Speaker:into that cup, for example, again, I'll just, spoiler alert, another guy on my
Speaker:list was Steven Stamkos, but, one of those Stanley Cup runs, he really didn't
Speaker:factor into it, luckily for him, he's got multiple cups, but for guys who maybe only
Speaker:have one of those, how much did you really factor into it, mean, where you just a
Speaker:fourth line grinder or, where you're at the tail end of your career, Where you're
Speaker:only playing 10, 12 minutes a night.
Speaker:luckily none of those guys again on my list were like that.
Speaker:But, for me it, it did play a little bit of a factor because they're, again,
Speaker:there's a couple of guys on my list that don't have Stanley cups and maybe
Speaker:that kind of, knock them down a notch or two where maybe you might look at
Speaker:them as far as point totals and say, shoot, they were top five all the time.
Speaker:So
Speaker:Yeah, I like it.
Speaker:I overall this list is it's So
Speaker:hard because the other side of it is the way that people played hockey in 2002.
Speaker:Is drastically different.
Speaker:Like we try to compare eras, Hey, who's the best player ever.
Speaker:And we're like, Bobby or, Maurice Richard, that was now comparing those things.
Speaker:this is 70 years ago that Maurice Richard.
Speaker:Started playing,
Speaker:that's
Speaker:crazy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:which is, it's crazy.
Speaker:I remember as a really little kid reading about hockey and it was
Speaker:like, Oh, this is a different era.
Speaker:And that was only 40 years ago.
Speaker:at the time.
Speaker:but even when you compare how much the game has changed, maybe over
Speaker:the course of a 20 year span, maybe the most, the game has ever changed.
Speaker:In a quick amount of time, like the difference between fifties hockey and
Speaker:seventies hockey is really just like you, there, there was always fighting.
Speaker:It's just honestly, the league got diluted.
Speaker:So there was less talent.
Speaker:So the scoring went up, but it's not as if the game didn't
Speaker:change a ton other than Yeah.
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:Defenseman started to move the puck because of Bobby or
Speaker:that's probably the biggest.
Speaker:Shift that you see there is okay, defensemen start to be activated,
Speaker:but then, and then it's the nineties brought about this ridiculous defensive
Speaker:play the trap as we all know it.
Speaker:And then, 2005 after the lockout.
Speaker:That's when things started to open up like the league finally went.
Speaker:Oh, we should probably let guys play hockey.
Speaker:Let's play hockey
Speaker:Because they took an inch off the goalie's pads is what had happened.
Speaker:Yeah, that too yeah there started to be a lot more thought towards all Right.
Speaker:maybe we shouldn't Let them be a giant balloon inside of the net.
Speaker:I remember as a kid, I was just like, what's the difference between what happens
Speaker:now and like, why don't they just go.
Speaker:get like a sumo wrestler and slap them in that and just have them fill it all
Speaker:up, but okay, why don't we get to our list and I'll let you read off your,
Speaker:what, your first five names on your list.
Speaker:Alright, let's go.
Speaker:So I've got two goaltenders on this.
Speaker:so at 25, I've got Marc Andre Fleury.
Speaker:We know, the success he had in Pittsburgh and, unfortunately, I think why he was
Speaker:so low on my list is just because his one Vezna, just in a shortened season, so I
Speaker:often wonder, it was very dominant, but I wonder in a longer, stretch of games,
Speaker:would he have had, as much success.
Speaker:so that's why he's a little bit lower.
Speaker:24.
Speaker:I've got Duncan Keith at 23.
Speaker:I've got Steven Stamkos, 22 Patrice Bergeron and 21 Jonathan Quick.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:No, Jonathan quick.
Speaker:Ah, yeah.
Speaker:John, When Jonathan Quick.
Speaker:there's a really, I want to focus in on that name because I feel like
Speaker:he had two really great playoffs.
Speaker:But outside of those years, he was just a good goalie to me.
Speaker:I, he had some other good seasons.
Speaker:It was not that he didn't have good seasons.
Speaker:he is a, he's a goalie that I guess in my mind, I never quite got my
Speaker:mind wrapped around them because he got so hot in those, but and again,
Speaker:if we're talking about best seasons.
Speaker:Like he's, he definitely has that individual season that
Speaker:run all the way to the finals.
Speaker:in the playoffs, he was absolutely ridiculous, but let's also not forget
Speaker:that year, the Kings finished eighth, they were having quite a bad season until they,
Speaker:they squeaked into the playoffs and they were supposed to, I don't think they were
Speaker:really, It was like, are they contenders?
Speaker:we're not really sure.
Speaker:We think they're a playoff team and maybe more, but like maybe they could
Speaker:win a round and then quick got crazy hot and they, Daryl Sutter did his
Speaker:thing and they went crazy, but I never really saw him as a guy that
Speaker:you went, Oh, like he's winning.
Speaker:He's helping that team to just have great regular seasons as well.
Speaker:so what was your, It wasn't the runs, just the Stanley Cup final
Speaker:runs that got you in there.
Speaker:I will say what put him ahead of a guy like, for example,
Speaker:Patrice Bergeron, right?
Speaker:And that's the guy that I looked at him and compared him to the most where maybe
Speaker:the numbers aren't as flashy, right?
Speaker:Patrice Bergeron was never known for being an offensive dynamo, he
Speaker:was a model of consistency, right?
Speaker:You always knew he was going to win 55, 60 percent of his draws.
Speaker:Put up 60 points and you were going to get good defensive play, right?
Speaker:And so for me, Jonathan quick, at least through those stretches
Speaker:in LA, you knew you were going to get consistent goaltending.
Speaker:I think he, he had a couple of down years there, which I mean, I hate
Speaker:to say it, all goalies do, right?
Speaker:There's, I don't know many goaltenders besides Dominic Kosciuk and, maybe
Speaker:Patrick Wah, who have had just consistent, good years every single year, right?
Speaker:but the difference with, with me, with a guy like Bergeron is quick.
Speaker:he was often considered, the top goaltender in the league, although he
Speaker:never had any hardware to go with it.
Speaker:He did get a
Speaker:couple of Jennings
Speaker:saying.
Speaker:He didn't win a Vesna.
Speaker:So that to me says that people never saw him as the best goalie in the NHL.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I thought about that, but a lot of times when you looked at
Speaker:that, people looked at that's Daryl Sutter team and thought, Oh,
Speaker:they're just so good defensively.
Speaker:And.
Speaker:I think a lot of people looked at a guy like Chris Osgood, for example,
Speaker:and say, Oh, he only got his wins because he played on such good teams.
Speaker:But you still had to go out there and play.
Speaker:You still had to go out there and pop a couple of pucks.
Speaker:No, those runs are epic.
Speaker:Like he could be on your list simply because those are, I was just wondering
Speaker:if it was because of those runs.
Speaker:if
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:hey, he won two Stanley Cups.
Speaker:And they won two Stanley cups because of him.
Speaker:he won the,
Speaker:the NBA, the playoffs.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Both
Speaker:When he had a 940 save percentage.
Speaker:the first time, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The cope guitar won the other one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I don't have a quick on my list, essentially replaced them with cope guitar
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:in there.
Speaker:I know cope guitar is, I think.
Speaker:is the sixth highest scoring player of the two thousands.
Speaker:incredible consistency.
Speaker:I, I just don't, I've never same kind of deal.
Speaker:I can never really consider him the best player.
Speaker:and you don't have to be on the list, of course, but never
Speaker:considered the best player.
Speaker:Never to me even considered the best center.
Speaker:I don't know if he would ever even being considered the top,
Speaker:top Five centers in the league.
Speaker:if we were going, Oh yes, he could be in the top five.
Speaker:He's maybe number four, number five at any given point.
Speaker:Now that doesn't, that doesn't mean he's hasn't been really great.
Speaker:Obviously he's got two Stanley cups, which is two more than a lot of the people
Speaker:that are also on the list that I have.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:let me just, I'll run it down.
Speaker:I've got number 25.
Speaker:I've got Leandra eyesight.
Speaker:Actually, I think.
Speaker:He's right now, 37th on the list, 911 points in 760 games.
Speaker:he's on pace right now.
Speaker:Like I look at a lot of the other guys that are in the.
Speaker:The top, 50 of scoring, and most of them don't even have a
Speaker:point per game, a lot of them.
Speaker:when I look at, just his production so far, I gotta throw him on there.
Speaker:And at least he's been to a Stanley Cup Final Game 7 now.
Speaker:So we can throw that in there and he's won an MVP, he's done all the things.
Speaker:I, I do have Marc Andre Fleury at 24, then Kopitar 23, yeah.
Speaker:23 Bergeron at 22 and then Hosa, Marian Hosa at 21.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:is that.
Speaker:what you did?
Speaker:You did 25 to 21 or did you do number 20 as
Speaker:Yeah, 25 to 21.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:HOSA.
Speaker:And I wanted to have HOSA higher.
Speaker:he's 10th and scoring 11 over 1100 points, 510 goals.
Speaker:I just never felt like there was a time when he was the best player on his team.
Speaker:However,
Speaker:he was the best defensive player, probably on every team that he was on.
Speaker:And he was the missing link.
Speaker:On every single team that he was on, at least to get to the finals.
Speaker:there was the, it was like Pittsburgh he was on and then they lost in the finals.
Speaker:Then he went to Detroit and then Detroit lost in the finals.
Speaker:And then, and then he goes to Chicago and then he wins three
Speaker:Stanley cups over the next, what was it in five years, Six years.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:and I think like widely considered.
Speaker:Outside of, best overall, like all around winger in the NHL.
Speaker:And that's what gets him on that list to me is that he really was considered like
Speaker:he was so good defensively and he could score like the guy could do everything.
Speaker:I did hold a long grudge against him.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So in, I believe it was it like 2001 maybe?
Speaker:When he was on the Ottawa senators
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:and he took a shot and he like followed through the most wild
Speaker:follow through you've ever seen.
Speaker:And he might as well have been holding a golf club and full swing through and his
Speaker:backs, the back part of his swing catches Brian Berard right across the eyeball.
Speaker:And I've never, I don't think I've ever seen so much blood on the ice.
Speaker:Outside of maybe when, what's his face.
Speaker:Zednick.
Speaker:Zednick got his jugular cut, which fair.
Speaker:but yeah.
Speaker:there was this blood all over the place.
Speaker:And then Brian Broward, of course, like he was, he was a top defenseman,
Speaker:like top two defenseman for the Leafs and never played for the Leafs again.
Speaker:He came back and had a little stint with Columbus, but he could not see
Speaker:out of his eye, like he could, I think one of his eyes was, it was messed up.
Speaker:He's I think he's still managed like 30 points in a year.
Speaker:he was a great offensive defenseman.
Speaker:And, I think.
Speaker:Had the Leafs had Berard that year, I really think there was a chance that
Speaker:they could have made a longer run.
Speaker:if you think about it, like he's their, he maybe, he was their offensive dynamo.
Speaker:You lose that guy from the back end, it
Speaker:hurts ya.
Speaker:Can't replace that guy.
Speaker:And it does.
Speaker:So anyways, that's my grudge against HOSA, but I got over it eventually.
Speaker:it took probably, actually, I think it took him going to Chicago for me
Speaker:to get over it because when he was on Detroit, I was just like, this
Speaker:makes it very easy to hate you.
Speaker:Very easy, just rooting hard against him and laughing hard
Speaker:when like seeing him lose again.
Speaker:but then, he redeemed himself for me.
Speaker:I got it or I got over my grudge.
Speaker:Sounds like it.
Speaker:All
Speaker:let's go to 20 through 16.
Speaker:Who do you have on you?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Number 20.
Speaker:I've got Duncan Keith speaking to some Chicago Blackhawk players.
Speaker:at
Speaker:19.
Speaker:one second on who's number 24 on your list?
Speaker:Oh, wait, hold on.
Speaker:did I put them in there twice?
Speaker:I see, Yeah, I see, yeah, sorry, I'm looking at your
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker:I did.
Speaker:was like, I was racking my brain, I was like, Is there another Keith I'm missing?
Speaker:Because I have a friend named Joel Keith, I was like, He
Speaker:didn't make the list, No, no way.
Speaker:yeah, okay, so you just accidentally have him in there twice.
Speaker:See, so now you can have Joe Pa on there,
Speaker:No, we're gonna throw a Leon Dreyseidel.
Speaker:Your
Speaker:argument swayed me, so we're gonna throw him in there.
Speaker:Alright, there we go.
Speaker:Drycidal squeaks in.
Speaker:He wasn't even on your Just Missed, and now he squeaks in on the list.
Speaker:we'll throw him in at 24.
Speaker:we go.
Speaker:yeah, 19, Marion Hossa.
Speaker:I just think, just for a winger, his defensive play was so
Speaker:underrated, gave him a little bump.
Speaker:And 18, Victor Hedman.
Speaker:there's, multiple years.
Speaker:He's been just the top guy in the league and still is up there as well.
Speaker:And, and then at 17 and 16, I've got a pair of goaltenders, King Henrik
Speaker:at 17 and Roberto Luongo at 16.
Speaker:Alright, Luongo higher than Henrik.
Speaker:Why is that?
Speaker:Yeah, I think, I had a hard time with this one.
Speaker:but ultimately I think just what he You know, both these guys were huge for
Speaker:the franchises and almost, essentially for good stretches, both of them were
Speaker:just the face of each franchise, right?
Speaker:But, the fact that I think Luongo went to two different franchises
Speaker:for me and was, The face.
Speaker:you mentioned it.
Speaker:He was captain of Vancouver for there for, I think it was just a year maybe, but,
Speaker:Just a year.
Speaker:Yeah, it was the year that they got skunked by Chicago in the playoffs, and
Speaker:I think that they came back the next year and they were like, this is too much.
Speaker:This position requires too much focus to to go and then be like,
Speaker:Hey, you have to be also the captain.
Speaker:right.
Speaker:I think it was just too much for him.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But the fact that he did it for two franchises and just what he meant, I,
Speaker:just overall what he meant to Florida.
Speaker:I think he meant a little bit more to Florida than maybe
Speaker:Lundquist did for the Rangers.
Speaker:So he just gets a little bump for me.
Speaker:Imagine this.
Speaker:If the New York Islanders don't trade Roberta Luongo for the first overall
Speaker:pick and draft Rick DiPietro, where are the New York Islanders today?
Speaker:Oh
Speaker:Maybe they have a Stanley cup because they did have some good teams.
Speaker:They just never had a goaltender.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:had a goaltender.
Speaker:think about the difference of trajectory.
Speaker:If your franchise has Roberto Luongo instead of Garth snow,
Speaker:No offense, but,
Speaker:talking a world.
Speaker:they had some really good, like they had Yashin and Pekka.
Speaker:Like they had some really nice players on that team.
Speaker:They just never had the goalie And imagine throwing in quite possibly
Speaker:the best goaltender of his era
Speaker:they had Zidane O'Chara.
Speaker:Imagine if they
Speaker:kept him too.
Speaker:and they had char,
Speaker:Dude,
Speaker:yeah, they,
Speaker:multiple cups.
Speaker:I think that someone closed their eyes and I want that guy.
Speaker:And then they drafted them and then they were like, they're not that good.
Speaker:And then they would let them go.
Speaker:Actually, the chara was in the trade for Yashin, so they
Speaker:didn't have both of them at the
Speaker:true.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Very true.
Speaker:but they, I think it was Mike Pekka.
Speaker:I think he sat out an entire year.
Speaker:Because of a contract dispute,
Speaker:that sounds
Speaker:about right.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:and then Alexa Yashin, he's the one that signed that like 10, they signed
Speaker:me like a 10 year deal, I think, and he only played a few of it,
Speaker:Went to
Speaker:I remember it, and then of course, I think they're still paying Rick
Speaker:DiPietro, I think he still gets like a million and a half dollars a year, just
Speaker:it's like that guy from the New York Mets that gets paid every year.
Speaker:Who the frick is that?
Speaker:I don't know anything about baseball,
Speaker:I know a little bit, I don't know,
Speaker:That's, oh, Bobby Bonilla Day.
Speaker:That's what it is.
Speaker:Oh, yes, Bobby Vanilla.
Speaker:Yes,
Speaker:gets a check for about 1.
Speaker:2 million till 2035.
Speaker:that's amazing.
Speaker:And he hasn't played since 2011.
Speaker:what a contract.
Speaker:It's a great contract to
Speaker:give that agent a raise.
Speaker:I want to sign a contract like That where is as Oh, maybe is Rick
Speaker:DPH are not getting paid anymore.
Speaker:I
Speaker:could be over with.
Speaker:Is it?
Speaker:I can't find him on Puckpedia here.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:We'll have to look.
Speaker:Maybe contract ends in 2829.
Speaker:He gets 1.
Speaker:5 million dollars a year
Speaker:2829.
Speaker:So he still gets another one and a half million for another four seasons.
Speaker:How nice?
Speaker:How nice would
Speaker:And he hasn't played since what?
Speaker:2014.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:Oh, it's fantastic.
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:I guess I should tell you my list.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Let's hear
Speaker:so at number 20, I have Stamko.
Speaker:So I'm a little bit higher than you did.
Speaker:the reason I had him a little higher, I just goal scoring is the.
Speaker:The pinnacle, right?
Speaker:And he has a lot of goals.
Speaker:third most goals in the two thousands.
Speaker:He's got 567 second only to the guy who's going to be the all time goal
Speaker:leader in NHL history, eventually Alex Ovechkin and then Sidney Crosby.
Speaker:So that's pretty damn good company to be in.
Speaker:And, I think that deserves the top 20 nod, that in what two
Speaker:Stanley cups, four cup, final appearances, the guy has done it all.
Speaker:And he has battled through injuries to like, there was a point.
Speaker:Remember when he broke his leg, when he was like sliding into the net
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Oh
Speaker:just snapped in half at the shin, I think it.
Speaker:was at that point.
Speaker:And he'd already had some injuries that people were is this, is his career going
Speaker:to be what everybody thought it would be?
Speaker:Because it sure seems like he's maybe going to flake out here.
Speaker:Like, how is he going to keep on, how's he going to stay healthy?
Speaker:And really it's actually been the back half of his career that
Speaker:has He's a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker:It's cemented him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker:And I hope that when, I think when I look up this list, my top 20.
Speaker:I don't think there's a guy on here that's either not in the hall of fame
Speaker:already or will be in the hall of fame.
Speaker:I, and I would assume that probably most of the names we've already said are
Speaker:also going to be in the hall of fame.
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I've got Stan close 20.
Speaker:I have, I doubled up Henrik and Daniel Siddine.
Speaker:How can you separate them?
Speaker:I have them at 19 as a collective.
Speaker:They have more points than anybody, they, they both won a scoring title, I believe
Speaker:it was Henrik who won the heart trophy in 2011, 2010, someone somewhere in there.
Speaker:I think when they went to the finals, both guys just, I, the real reason
Speaker:they made it this high is because maybe they weren't considered.
Speaker:I do think Henrik Siddine was definitely considered like the
Speaker:top five centermen in the league, but together they were the best duo in the
Speaker:NHL for a minute for several seasons.
Speaker:It was like these guys are doing things that nobody else can do.
Speaker:And they were just, it was just a treat to be able to watch them.
Speaker:And I think the game actually changed because of them.
Speaker:I think the cycle game the cycle game that these two used it, nobody
Speaker:else had really seen it before.
Speaker:And I think the way that the game's sped up now, you see this, the Sedine
Speaker:style cycle game, coming through, which may be more of a tip to Sweden,
Speaker:as much as the Sedines themselves.
Speaker:But when you see these two guys play together, as long as they did, they just
Speaker:knew where each other were going to be.
Speaker:But they also knew each other where they were going to be, because
Speaker:they had a system that they worked.
Speaker:With, on top of that, I think it actually.
Speaker:Has really made coaches go, why are we splitting guys up as often as we do?
Speaker:If players play together, they're going to be better together.
Speaker:And I think that the Siddines had some impact on why now we
Speaker:look at the way that we do lines.
Speaker:A lot of times it's, we want to get these two guys together.
Speaker:We want to get these two guys together.
Speaker:We don't really care who the third guy is.
Speaker:And that really wasn't the case.
Speaker:Before the sardines, I'm sure that there were, you had Lemieux and Yager
Speaker:playing together at times, you can sure you can write off whoever that third
Speaker:guy is, but I think they really changed the way that a lot of people looked
Speaker:at the formation of a team because they just did not play a part ever.
Speaker:and I don't think they would have let it happen either.
Speaker:Like, who the heck's yeah.
Speaker:sorry, we're not going to play for a team.
Speaker:Just don't bother drafting us unless you draft both of us.
Speaker:That's an amazing nobody.
Speaker:people go back to Oh
Speaker:Lindros.
Speaker:He's such a dick.
Speaker:He didn't want to play for the Nordiques.
Speaker:And Oh, these guys that try to say they don't want to play for this team.
Speaker:It's so unclassy.
Speaker:The siddhines were like, I don't want to play without my brother.
Speaker:And they're like, Oh, that's that's such a heartwarming story.
Speaker:They forced teams hands like they, so I think it's wonderful.
Speaker:It's cool.
Speaker:and I
Speaker:think they, they should be in the top 20.
Speaker:I hope they get inducted into the hall of fame at the same time.
Speaker:If they don't, it's a freaking travesty.
Speaker:The last thing they have to do together.
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:sorry.
Speaker:And then, number 18, I've had men as well.
Speaker:And then I have Henrik Lundqvist at 17 and I have Eric Carlson at 16.
Speaker:Did not make my list.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:he only won three Norris's.
Speaker:He has the most Norris trophies out of anyone outside of Nicholas
Speaker:Lidstrom in the two thousands.
Speaker:Heart and now I know the Norris trophy has become a little bit more of a points game
Speaker:But he also, he has the second most points out of any defenseman in this era outside
Speaker:of Brent Burns who's played 413 more games than him and they're only 48 points apart.
Speaker:So anyways Yeah, Eric Carlson number 16 on my list.
Speaker:I actually you know, it's funny I don't have Roberto Luongo on my list
Speaker:Maybe I should, but he is a hall of famer for sure.
Speaker:He's going to be a hall of famer because he has so many
Speaker:played so many damn games too.
Speaker:He just, he never won.
Speaker:I know Henrik Lundqvist won.
Speaker:Henrik Lundqvist to me, he was the best goalie in the league, five or six years.
Speaker:I don't, Luongo, it was like, you might be the best, but you
Speaker:also play on this garbage team.
Speaker:and then when you went, he went to Vancouver and.
Speaker:He actually made it to the playoffs.
Speaker:They were supposed to make runs.
Speaker:And other than the one, of course, Hey, you lost in game seven
Speaker:and in the Stanley cup finals.
Speaker:That's a, it's a toss up, but there were many playoff runs
Speaker:where he completely collapsed.
Speaker:So I leaned towards him as Hey, he was a really good regular season goalie.
Speaker:But when the playoffs came, he just.
Speaker:Never seemed to be able to defeat the other guy on the other side of the ice.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I am going to, I left him off my, I guess you could say he was one of my just
Speaker:missed and part of me wants to, part of me wants to take Mark Andre Fleury at
Speaker:24 and swap them with Henrik Lundqvist because Fleury won so many cups in
Speaker:Vesna, like one of Vesna as an old timer.
Speaker:but I think that Henrik Lundqvist was the best goalie in the league for a long
Speaker:And That's got to keep him in there.
Speaker:He just wasn't always on the best team,
Speaker:Fair.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:but They made it to the finals twice with him.
Speaker:They did.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:there's my, now we're into the top 15.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:let's go.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So I made a quick little revision this morning.
Speaker:Didn't, didn't update my list, but thought about this a little bit more.
Speaker:so number 15, I've got, Anze Kopitar, followed by Yamir Yagra at 14, Austin
Speaker:Matthews at 13, Jerome McGinley at 12, and then at 11, I've got, Nikita Kucherov.
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:My, my five are like basically the exact same players just swapped around.
Speaker:I've got Yager, Agimla, Kucherov, Matthews, Datsuk.
Speaker:Dadzook,
Speaker:So Datsuk's the only one who, I think he was, he was higher up on your list
Speaker:Yeah, it could be the
Speaker:hometown nostalgia, but
Speaker:and that's fine.
Speaker:but still to, to put him above those names,
Speaker:Yager.
Speaker:Oh, overall, I think we would both agree.
Speaker:Yager had the better career than Datsuk.
Speaker:Better, but he's like top five and points all time, right?
Speaker:And to put him ahead of Matthews, do we think that by the time Matthew's career is
Speaker:over, that Matthews wouldn't jump again?
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:I think, in two or three years, I think for me, Austin Matthews would
Speaker:probably be a top 10 list maker here,
Speaker:And I think Matthew, yeah, Matthew's probably even now you would say, I don't
Speaker:know, who would you rather have to build a franchise around Matthews or dad?
Speaker:So I think you'd, I think in this era you would pick Matthews.
Speaker:I think maybe in the era,
Speaker:In the era that dad's who played in, oh man, I think he'd still pick Matthews,
Speaker:but dad's who he's got the cups
Speaker:the lady beings and everything else.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:And I don't, the
Speaker:Matthew's got the heart, but,
Speaker:I think Matthews has a lady being Disney.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:That's a good
Speaker:He has late if he doesn't have a lady being, and he's been like up for it
Speaker:a couple of, yeah, I I guess I just put them ahead because I think dad's
Speaker:who was doing things that no one else dreamed of doing at the time.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Like the way that he could just pickpocket you.
Speaker:Now, it's funny cause Matthew's actually in a lot of ways, he has that same
Speaker:vibe, like Matthew's as a pickpocketer.
Speaker:I think he had to, he learned it from dad suit.
Speaker:Like they look the same in a lot of ways.
Speaker:Now, Matthew's is much bigger and.
Speaker:And obviously the better overall goal scorer, in a lot of ways, they
Speaker:actually do play a similar game.
Speaker:it's just, that's it.
Speaker:that's who careers over where we're going to give them the nod right now.
Speaker:He's got the cups.
Speaker:he won, was, he on the team in 2002 when they won or was that just Zetterberg?
Speaker:He was,
Speaker:he played on a line with Brett Hall and Luke Robitaille.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:Yes,
Speaker:They played like they played on like the fourth line.
Speaker:What, and it wasn't Zetterberg that wasn't there.
Speaker:he has Hederberg.
Speaker:What he didn't come into low four, but, it was funny.
Speaker:They had an interview with Brett Hall when they were talking about like this
Speaker:team that basically, they bought the Stanley cup with, You know that, that
Speaker:Yeah, 75 million compared to the next team.
Speaker:That was like 60.
Speaker:crazy anyways, but so they talked to Brett Hall and they're like, yeah, I watched
Speaker:this little tiny Russian kid come out.
Speaker:And he's just he's doing things that I just, I've never
Speaker:seen anybody else do before.
Speaker:and, part of the reason why I have him a little higher on my list than a
Speaker:guy like Matthew's right now, because I do think Matthew's for me is.
Speaker:The defensive part of his game, when you talk about pick pocketing and
Speaker:those kind of things, is so underrated.
Speaker:Just because of how good of a goal scorer I think he is.
Speaker:People overlook that aspect of his game.
Speaker:But, they interview guys on so many different occasions
Speaker:during DadZoop's career.
Speaker:And they're like, who do you hate playing against the most?
Speaker:And everybody's DadZoop.
Speaker:Don't want to play him.
Speaker:Don't want to play against him.
Speaker:You made you look like an idiot.
Speaker:Every time.
Speaker:Marty Turco still has nightmares of dad's suit.
Speaker:Just like breaking his ankles the other way and
Speaker:Ian Pecorine, man.
Speaker:Just forget about it.
Speaker:and maybe the best shootout player ever.
Speaker:is there anybody that you would say, I want him in a shootout more than That So
Speaker:Maybe
Speaker:Patty Kane.
Speaker:Kane.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which if that's the company you're in, you're in a, you're in a dog
Speaker:fight with Patrick Kane for best shootout guy, like you're doing pretty
Speaker:well, it definitely some of the best highlight shootouts for dad Souk.
Speaker:And
Speaker:slow mo against Chicago?
Speaker:Forget about it.
Speaker:Puck on a string.
Speaker:Yeah, Nobody else was doing the slow mo.
Speaker:He, I, was he the first guy to do the slow mo?
Speaker:maybe he got it from someone else, but he's
Speaker:Yeah, there was a guy overseas that I think did it first, but, he's the,
Speaker:he was the first in the NHL to do
Speaker:the perfecter of it, Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:can't go wrong with having dad's Duke, up this high.
Speaker:It is interesting to have them up this high compared to a headman
Speaker:who's won a lot of Norris trophies.
Speaker:I'm fine with it.
Speaker:Maybe a little bit of a home.
Speaker:Like I also watched him a ton too.
Speaker:And I, that's going to play a little bit of a factor, but yeah, he was Kucherov,
Speaker:what, where was Kucherov on your list?
Speaker:He was
Speaker:11 for me.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:why Kucherov over, Oh no, he was 15 on yours.
Speaker:I
Speaker:went back and thought about it a little bit more in, in Swap T and Kopitar.
Speaker:Gotcha.
Speaker:Why'd you switch him?
Speaker:again, when we talk about, guys being the best at their position or best in the
Speaker:game, Kucherov has been, at least, you can recollect in the last five, six years,
Speaker:he's been up there as far as when you talk about heart trophy nominees, right?
Speaker:Every single year, he's
Speaker:up there, right?
Speaker:Where, you A guy like Kopitar hasn't really had that luxury and now Kopitar's
Speaker:defensive game is unparalleled.
Speaker:I will probably argue it was better than Bergeron's in my opinion, but
Speaker:that's a topic for another day.
Speaker:But for me, Kucherov, just those 120 plus point seasons, it just, it was unreal.
Speaker:What he does is crazy.
Speaker:which definitely helps having, another person on our list, Stamkos
Speaker:on your wing, I will say this out of anyone, maybe on this entire list.
Speaker:Best power play guy, Kucherov.
Speaker:is there anyone that you want more on your power play than Kucherov?
Speaker:Maybe Ovechkin,
Speaker:but definitely Ovechkin to
Speaker:Ovechkin's covered up, he doesn't, he lacks that ability to
Speaker:circle around and get free, right?
Speaker:Whereas Kucherov, he can dish the puck, but he can also score.
Speaker:Like he's got that shot from the Right.
Speaker:circle that just.
Speaker:it's almost unexpected because he, you're like, He's not a goal scorer.
Speaker:And then he's Oh, I had 45 goals.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:And Kutra obviously his career is, is definitely not over either.
Speaker:So that's a
Speaker:He's still killing it.
Speaker:gap more to go.
Speaker:where is he all time or for, points in this era?
Speaker:He's 33rd, but 931 points in 762 games.
Speaker:So he continues that pace and he'll definitely be in the.
Speaker:The top 10 there by the time his career's over.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:let's scoot into the top 10
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:10 through six.
Speaker:So I've got another Russian here at 10, if Kenny Milken, at number
Speaker:nine, Nate McKinnon, this guy, gosh, just slow start to his career.
Speaker:But really, if you, if he had anything close to what he's been doing here in
Speaker:the last five, six years, we'd talk about him being an old timer, without a doubt.
Speaker:And then, number eight for me, Martin Brodeur, number seven, Probably,
Speaker:uh, the guy that doesn't have a cup that I think deserved a cup more
Speaker:than anybody else, Joe Thornton, and, number six, Patty Kane, for me.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:we're very close on here.
Speaker:I have McKinnon at 10,
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Thornton at nine.
Speaker:I also have Broder at eight, Malkin at seven and Kane at six.
Speaker:man, Broder, I like, there's a chance he could be higher on here.
Speaker:Because of all the fricking hardware that the guy has, the one thing that
Speaker:did make me go, one of his, one of his cups was before, was in the nineties.
Speaker:he won a lot of games in the nineties.
Speaker:So if we're going like full on career, he, I still don't, I don't think I'd want to
Speaker:put them higher than anyone on this list.
Speaker:Just cause of the team he played on.
Speaker:It's another one of those, I think he was a hall of fame goal
Speaker:goalie on a ridiculous team.
Speaker:Defensive team.
Speaker:So it doesn't take away what he did, but it does make you go, maybe we can
Speaker:maybe leaning against some of these other guys who are playing in a much
Speaker:more offensive time, although I guess you could say, Hey, like McDavid's
Speaker:playing in a much more offensive time.
Speaker:Does he have as many points as he has if he's playing in 2001?
Speaker:Probably not.
Speaker:Probably not.
Speaker:So
Speaker:there is a balance.
Speaker:getting Scott Stevened in the middle of the ice.
Speaker:Yeah, that, and that was a I, I wasn't going to put Scott Stevens on here.
Speaker:I thought about Scott Niedermeyer of making the list.
Speaker:because he did have, he won the cup in 2000, 2003 and 2007 with the ducks
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:and he was a huge part of those wins.
Speaker:so I thought about putting them on there, but I just didn't, it was, Patrick Kane.
Speaker:Only at six.
Speaker:I want to know why maybe I'll ask that after we go through the next
Speaker:guys on the list, a little bit higher,
Speaker:That's fair.
Speaker:Joe Thornton never won a cup.
Speaker:He did win a heart and I think he won a scoring title, right?
Speaker:When he had a hundred And a million assists, ridiculous year.
Speaker:That was the year that Jonathan Chichu had 98 goals.
Speaker:And that's why I think he got a little higher on my list because he took a
Speaker:guy who any other year is only a 10 goal scorer, decided, you know what?
Speaker:I'm so good at passing.
Speaker:I'm just going to make him the best goal scorer in the league.
Speaker:to me, when you look at this list outside of Sidney Crosby and probably McDavid,
Speaker:he is the best passer in this group.
Speaker:It's amazing.
Speaker:Jonathan Chichu had 56 goals in 2005, 2006.
Speaker:did He lead the league in goals that year?
Speaker:He did?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And he had 93 points and then he had 37 the following year, 69 points.
Speaker:And then his best year after that, he only lasted one, two,
Speaker:three, four more years in the NHL.
Speaker:And then he played a long time in the AHL.
Speaker:He played another four years in the AHL, and then he went
Speaker:to the KHL for four more years.
Speaker:Dude, okay.
Speaker:And even in those leagues, his best year in the AHL was 56 points in 70 games.
Speaker:He just could never reproduce it.
Speaker:He had the year of his life,
Speaker:Dude, that he did.
Speaker:but yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:should we just go into the top five and then I'll ask you about Patrick Cain?
Speaker:Let's do it.
Speaker:let's go number five and four.
Speaker:Who do you have there?
Speaker:Deadzook at 5 and McDavid at 4.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I have Chris Pronger at five
Speaker:Ooh,
Speaker:didn't even make my list.
Speaker:and I have him as the fifth best player in the era.
Speaker:So that's something to talk about.
Speaker:And I have a McDavid at four.
Speaker:I think we have the same, probably the same top three as well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'll just tell you right now too.
Speaker:Also, my battery's got 15 minutes, so let's, make, of it what you
Speaker:will, not to, discount our viewers any more discussion here, but,
Speaker:So Chris Pronger, only 23rd all time in, or well, not all time, 20
Speaker:in the 2000s, only 23rd, in points.
Speaker:Which if we're going purely on points, our list could look a lot different.
Speaker:I, there was this time, when the Oilers got them, he won the cup with, no, the
Speaker:Oilers was first, he goes, gets traded to the Oilers, takes him to the Stanley
Speaker:Cup final, and then he goes to Anaheim and they win the cup and every place he
Speaker:went, and then he went to Philadelphia and they went, they randomly went to
Speaker:the Stanley Cup finals, everywhere that guy went, his team won, and he
Speaker:was maddening to play against, it was like the cornerback, you get a top
Speaker:cornerback in the NFL, and no matter who, They're up against like quarterbacks.
Speaker:Don't even throw their direction, even if it's all right here.
Speaker:I've got the best receiver in the NHL and NFL.
Speaker:I'm not going to throw over there because it's too dangerous.
Speaker:And that was Chris Pronger for years.
Speaker:I think, and the fact that he's not on your list, just, again,
Speaker:probably shows he's maybe the most underrated defenseman of all time.
Speaker:that's
Speaker:won a heart trophy.
Speaker:There's very few defensemen who have won a heart trophy.
Speaker:he won that in, I believe that was 2000.
Speaker:So right at the very beginning of, and that was with ST Louis was the, they
Speaker:won the president's trophy that year.
Speaker:And then they lost in the first round, I think to the San Jose sharks
Speaker:actually, but just a phenomenal defense, like true defenseman.
Speaker:He could put up points, but he could defend.
Speaker:He could make that, that good first pass, but it was in an era where that first pass
Speaker:was getting dumped in and you were losing those second little second assists because
Speaker:of the way that the game was played.
Speaker:So I think That's some of the reason he didn't put up as many points,
Speaker:That's fair.
Speaker:absolutely dominant.
Speaker:Like the Oilers against the Red Wings never should have lost that series.
Speaker:And I know people will look at Dwayne Rolison and they'll say, he was
Speaker:unbelievable, but it was Chris Bronger.
Speaker:He's the reason that they won that series.
Speaker:He was one of it.
Speaker:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker:They, he drove that team nuts.
Speaker:So Chris Pranger top five, he is, he's probably outside of Nicholas Lidstrom out
Speaker:of any defenseman to play in this era.
Speaker:I'm T I'll take them over headman.
Speaker:Ooh,
Speaker:I'll take them overhead
Speaker:Don't agree with that, but I respect it.
Speaker:if Pronger had played in the era that Hedman played in, he would
Speaker:have put up similar points, I think.
Speaker:Just Pronger played in a time where no one was putting up
Speaker:points, let alone a defenseman.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Alright, top three.
Speaker:Let's hear him.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I've got, Alexander Ovechkin at number three, probably, to me, I'll
Speaker:still say, Mike bossy to me is the greatest goal scorer of all time,
Speaker:but I think he's about to, Cement his name and in that legacy there.
Speaker:he's gosh, I think what, 24 goals away now, 23, something like that.
Speaker:Very doable.
Speaker:what, 872, I think?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then, number two, I've got Nick Littstrom and of course, number one,
Speaker:I'm sure similar for you, Sidney Crosby, undeniably the best player of this era.
Speaker:Without a
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Yes, without a doubt.
Speaker:Um, How many times did now?
Speaker:I'm just how many times did Mike bossy lead the league in goals?
Speaker:That's a good question, actually.
Speaker:NHL leading goal scorer by season.
Speaker:I just you said Mike bossy's the best goal scorer of all time So I just
Speaker:wanted to see how many times he led the league in goals and it, was two times
Speaker:in 78 79 and 80 81 Now a lot of yes.
Speaker:Yeah, so he couldn't he didn't beat out Charlie simmer
Speaker:And then Wayne Gretzky
Speaker:Mary Curry,
Speaker:yeah, that's unfair.
Speaker:but if he's the best goal scorer, should he not have the most goals
Speaker:even more than a guy who was like,
Speaker:this is a guy who only played, nine years of hockey.
Speaker:and
Speaker:and That's why I'm not saying all time goal scorer or leader
Speaker:because yeah, obviously not fair.
Speaker:He didn't play enough games, but he only led the league in
Speaker:goals twice, whereas other guys.
Speaker:and the, when he led the league, he had 68 goals and 64, 60 Gretzky was scoring 92.
Speaker:So I don't know, maybe the best shot could give you
Speaker:something like that.
Speaker:and the Islanders did play a little bit different of a style
Speaker:than what Gretzky was playing.
Speaker:And anyways, great goal score, hall of fame, goal score.
Speaker:I don't know if I would say he's the best goal scorer ever.
Speaker:Oh, Justin's phone died.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:top three, Crosby, Lidstrom, Ovi.
Speaker:I think pretty easy to agree on that.
Speaker:And, I will speak for Justin when I say that, we'll be
Speaker:pumping out more episodes here.
Speaker:Oh, did he come back?
Speaker:Is he back?
Speaker:There he is.
Speaker:Oh, we've got, There we
Speaker:go.
Speaker:I would, I'd need to die.
Speaker:you die?
Speaker:Yeah, the battery's gone.
Speaker:It's out.
Speaker:There we
Speaker:go.
Speaker:I was,
Speaker:I was just going to
Speaker:jet out
Speaker:jet out anyways, so
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